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Luxury Vinyl Flooring

  • 1.  Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 07-21-2018 10:03
    We are looking into replacing flooring and I would love to hear from those of you who have installed the luxury vinyl flooring and have had it for some time.

    Are you happy with it? Would you do it again? What has happened with standing water on it or other chemicals?

    I know this flooring has come a long way and some of it looks beautiful. Just wondering how it would work in a commercial laundromat...

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    Yvette Morton Williams
    Store Owner/ Employee
    Wash & Spin Coin Laundry
    Atlanta GA
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  • 2.  RE: Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 07-23-2018 10:43
    Edited by Josh Pipping 07-23-2018 10:49
    My friend did Luxury Vinyl in his laundromat and he said he would not do it again. It's tough but not commercial floor tough. There are scratches in it already and he only had it installed 8 months ago.


  • 3.  RE: Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 07-23-2018 11:50
    Thanks Josh. The salesperson says that replacing planks is really easy. Of course, it is good to get the perspective of more than just the salesperson too...

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    Yvette Morton Williams
    Store Owner/ Employee
    Wash & Spin Coin Laundry
    Atlanta GA
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  • 4.  RE: Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 07-23-2018 18:01
    ​I have it (about 4 years old) and I would never install it again. It is not easy to patch, scars easy, sun bleaches badly, and swells at the joints when wet.

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    Adam Carson
    Owner/Operator
    Busy Bubbles LLC
    Port Orford, OR
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  • 5.  RE: Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 07-24-2018 13:05
    Keep in mind a lot of this LVT is just plain old vinyl with a L (for luxury) in front of it. (Marketing ploy)

    You need to choose a vinyl with a high Mil wear layer or it will not hold up to commercial traffic.

    Most of the light duty stuff for residential has a 7-10 mil wear layer.

    For commercial traffic you want 20+

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    K J
    Store Owner/ Employee
    Binghamton
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  • 6.  RE: Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 07-24-2018 20:36
    I, too, I'm looking to change out my 30+ year old VCT flooring.  The Commercial grade stuff looks great and thick.  Unfortunately, very expensive compared to VCT.  $6 - 8/ sq ft installed.  While I don't like the maintenance of VCT, it is tough tough tough and is much cheaper to install.  There are lots of options out there.  I really like the faux wood look and rubber under foot.  Regardless, the easiest care is finished concrete, next epoxy flooring (must have nNO traffic for a period to cure properly), then others ...

    Still haven't decided



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    Timothy Foster
    Multi-Store Owner/ Employee
    Toledo
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  • 7.  RE: Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 07-25-2018 12:52
    Timothy I understand. The concrete floors look awesome when done well and I would imagine they are pretty much indestructible. I wish you luck with your decision. Please post pictures once you decide.

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    Yvette Morton Williams
    Store Owner/ Employee
    Wash & Spin Coin Laundry
    Atlanta GA
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  • 8.  RE: Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 07-25-2018 12:49
    Hi KJ. Yes, marketing ploys, lol, although the newer vinyl flooring with the wood grain does look way better than the old ones imho. I remembered some one posting that they had installed it in their mat a while back. I was hopeful that it might be more durable now...

    10+ years ago we installed the wood look, smooth, vinyl planks in our basement and one back-up-of-the-sump-pump months later caused it to swell at the seams so badly that we just removed it and installed ceramic tile.



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    Yvette Morton Williams
    Store Owner/ Employee
    Wash & Spin Coin Laundry
    Atlanta GA
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  • 9.  RE: Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 07-25-2018 12:34
    Adam I'm sorry that you have had a bad experience with that. Thanks so much for responding. I appreciate your insight.

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    Yvette Morton Williams
    Store Owner/ Employee
    Wash & Spin Coin Laundry
    Atlanta GA
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  • 10.  RE: Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 07-28-2018 16:49

    I hate tile for many reasons, so we went with commercial-grade vinyl flooring.  It's thick, and uniform.  Super-easy to install, makes the place not look like a swimming pool, easy to clean.

    We like it.

    I am unfamiliar with "luxury vinyl flooring", but I know that the supplier refused to sell me residential flooring (I mean refused) for my use, so there's that.  Thick, solid commercial grade seems to be required.

    Buy extra BTW, flooring and tiles always get discontinued, usually right before you need to repair or patch.



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    Luigi
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  • 11.  RE: Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 09-13-2018 02:21
    BTW, is LVP (Luxury Vinyl Plank) the same as  SPC (Stone Plastic Composite) ?

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    Mehul Dholakia
    Store Owner/ Employee
    Vallejo CA
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  • 12.  RE: Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 09-13-2018 12:22
    Edited by Paulie B 09-13-2018 12:29
    Properly installed Porcelain Tiles will outlive you, your grandchildren, your great grandchildren, and then some!

    You can get "wood look" plank ceramic tiles that will hold up much longer than vinyl, but not from the big box stores...those are residential duty. You need to get commercial versions from a reputable tile store. Again, if properly installed.

    Case in point.....The Romans REALLY knew how to make ceramic tile floors....How about this 1,700 year old floor recently found in Israel, built by the Romans?

    https://www.livescience.com/52810-courtyard-mosaic-israel-photos.html

    So if you want a great floor, get Porcelain tiles that have the color going all the way through them, installed the old fashioned way....in a 2" mortar base, also called "a mud job".

    I had one of my mats done by Guidos I know from the other side. They spent 3 days screaming and yelling at each other in Italian, lol, but when they were done....WOW!!! I'm sorry that I didn't use them for the other mats.
    This mat had a wood floor with a basement.
     First, they put down tar paper, then metal screening, then a damp, not wet, mortar mix, they "screed" this damp mortar mix level, then they dusted the top with dry portland cement. Next, they dip the tiles in a water bucket before laying them down. Finally, they run a tamping machine over the tiles which both compresses the tiles down into the mortar mix, and levels them out flat like glass.
    Italians, Greeks, and Turks from the other side know the right way to install tiles. They've been doing this for centuries.

    Archeologists uncovering this 1,700 year old floor.


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    Paulie B
    Multiple Mat Owner since 1976
    New York City, NY
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  • 13.  RE: Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 09-13-2018 13:26
    On your mat, did you go with or without grout lines? If grout, is it not difficult to keep grout clean? Do you seal them annually?

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    Mehul Dholakia
    Store Owner/ Employee
    Vallejo CA
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  • 14.  RE: Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 09-13-2018 13:37
    Mehul,

    Not sure you are talking to me, but in the mat done by the Italians, no grout at all. The tiles were simply butted up against each other.
    That floor is now 32 years old and not even one tile has ever gotten loose!

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    Paulie B
    Multiple Mat Owner since 1976
    New York City, NY
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  • 15.  RE: Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 09-14-2018 12:09
    Agree with Pauline on ceramic tiles. If you want grout lines use natural grey. Shows less dirt. Some tiles cannot be butted up to each other so a grout line is needed. I've had terrible luck from vinyl planks. The wood look is great at the beginning, but a few years later I experienced wear, bubbling and tears. I've also used polished concrete with good results.

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    Larry Larsen
    Distributor Employee
    Laundromat123.com
    Anaheim CA
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  • 16.  RE: Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 09-14-2018 12:31
    Larry & Paulie,  I agree with any FLOOR approach that tends to hide small amounts of dirt etc.

    When it comes to counter tops & folding table surfaces ... I am of the school to allow dirt to show.  Rather  the customer going surprise ... surprise ... my clean clothes just went on a dirty &/or wet surface because the camouflage effect tricked them into it.

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    Michael Walsh www.kingkoin.com
    Store Owner/ Employee
    King Koin Laundry, Car n Dog Wash
    Bismarck ND
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  • 17.  RE: Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 09-14-2018 12:35
    Paul & Larry;

    Do we really want to have a product that last that long? With all the updates in colors styles patterns wouldn't it be better to change it more often to appeal to our customer experience? It would be like having the same painted colored walls for 20 30 or 50 years. We keep touting update our mats shouldn't flooring also be the same?



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    Deward Stout
    Store Owner/ Employee
    Hurricane Laundromat & Storage
    Hurricane UT
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  • 18.  RE: Luxury Vinyl Flooring

    Posted 09-14-2018 13:59
    Deward,

    Yours is a great point. Eventually, everything gets outdated.

    Even the classic stainless steel look is now being challenged. Just go to any home appliance seller these days and you will see the new "Black Stainless" look. So it's only a matter to time before commercial machines can no longer hold onto the current Stainless Steel look.
    You know that manufacturers would love to be able to entice you with yet another reason to change your equipment, and I don't blame them...it's their mission to sell new equipment.

    I think that if you pick a timeless style of tile (more or less), it's feasible to get 20 years out of it before it looks dated.

    Or, you can just wait 50 years or so until your style works it's way back around, lol.   😇

    As far as a good mud job, aka mortar bed,  the subfloor is rock solid and not going anywhere. You could probably tile right over the existing tiles (using the proper cement), and be good for another 20 years. BTW, a Mortar bed is not necessary, nor desired on a concrete subfloor.

    And by the way, I always buy an extra case of tiles to keep on hand. You may never use them, but then again, you just might need them.

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    Paulie B
    Multiple Mat Owner since 1976
    New York City, NY
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