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1.  Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

Posted 13 days ago
I have some SC40BC2 machines. It's an older model so apparently there's some "Pressfit Upgrade Kit" (F935P3) for them. Apparently upgrading it means less bearing jobs. The big question is buying all the parts needed for a bearing job is ~$150 dollars. Buying a pressfit upgrade kit is ~$680. The argument I have been told is the pressfit upgrade mean it adds 10 years. But at $680 and assuming price remains relatively the same, the not-upgrade path means the machines has to break down at ratio of 4-5x times versus 1 bearing job breakdown of an upgraded version to come out ahead.

Am I missing something? Anyone want to tell me why I should invest in making the upgrade? Or am I better off not upgrading?

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Antoine Vo
Store Owner/ Employee
Les Laundry Inc
Everett MA
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2.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

Posted 13 days ago
Edited by Larry Adamski 13 days ago
Antoine,

Yes you're missing something.  You're forgetting about the labor to install the replacement bearings/seals repeatedly vs the labor to install the press fit kit once.  It's not just a matter of comparing parts prices and their respective life expectancy.  I've owned 9 HC40BC washers and I've done plenty of bearing jobs.  The best life I was able to achieve was 10 years on a bearing job but sometimes it was more like 7 years.  I now have 19 of the "press fit" HCN020 and HCN040 washers and I've not had to do a single bearing job yet.  In fact, even my 8 ten year old HC30AC washers have not required a bearing job yet but, as far as I know, these are not the improved "press fit" design.  So Alliance has made great strides in their effort to improve main bearing/seal longevity even prior to developing the "press fit" design changes.

My recommendation is to replace older HCxxBC washers with new HCNxxx washers whenever possible.  (The xxx represents the rated washer capacity in pounds.)  If the budget won't allow total replacement, then upgrading HCxxBC washers to the "press fit" design would be worth the extra cost.

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Larry Adamski
Muskegon Laundromat
Spring Lake MI
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3.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

Posted 12 days ago
Are you sure you are looking at the pressfit kit? 680.00 seems cheap. It sounds more like a trunion kit. Trunion kit is just bearings and seals installed in new trunion. Pressfit includes new basket.

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Chris Mirisciotta
Store Owner/ Employee
Canon Coin Laundry
Canonsburg PA
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4.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

Posted 12 days ago
Chris is right. That's just the price for the trunnion. You still need a basket and a rental tool kit and the patience of Job.

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Samuel Mock
Store Owner/ Employee
Dixie Laundry
Ridgeland SC
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5.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

Posted 12 days ago
Chris,

Hence my recommendation to buy new washers as the best solution.

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Larry Adamski
Muskegon Laundromat
Spring Lake MI
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6.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

Posted 12 days ago
Larry, do you think Antoine should finance (leverage)the new machines or pay cash?

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James Courtney
Distributor Employee
Commercial Financing Group
San Diego CA
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7.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

Posted 12 days ago
James,

While I cannot determine Antoine's financial condition from his post, I would hope that he can find a way to at least replace the one HC40BC that needs the bearing job.  If he doesn't have the cash and can finance; that is something that should be seriously looked at.  The new HCN040KVC is 6 speed, highly programmable, extremely competitive washer yet it can be installed on the base of the HC40BC.  So even replacing just that one washer would be very easy and he could enjoy a higher vend price, increased efficiency and a new warranty while saving the rebuild cost of the HC40BC.  More importantly, having made such a purchase may convince him to begin planning a major rehab of his entire laundromat.
Larry, do you think Antoine should finance (leverage)the new machines or pay cash?
James Courtney,  01-10-2018 16:04


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Larry Adamski
Muskegon Laundromat
Spring Lake MI
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8.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

Posted 11 days ago
Actually my current SC40BC machines are all currently working (despite the thread I made a while back asking for help for a malfunctioning SC40BC, turns out one of the ribber cables got accidentally snipped making the coin drop become umpowered).

I made this thread because I can't find any discussion about the press fit kit and its importance. What caused me to wonder is because we currently do have one SC40BC that its bearing is going to get there sooner than later (we can hear it). This lead us to talk about preemptive actions which lead me to remember the washer is an older model that apparently have a press fit kit to upgrade the bearing rather than replace the currently one. But also led me to wonder why should I upgrade versus just do another bearing job.

I know bearing jobs are not fun, but I am not sure the cost of upgrading was really worth it (I have to admit that I am lacking knowledge of the SC40BC2, we took over the laundromat and building, we have laundromat experience before, but not speed queens and no SC40BC2). I was missing the labor aspect, but if the next bearing job is 7 years from now, then even if the upgrade mean no bearing jobs for the next 20 years, well to me at least, 7 years is a pretty good amount of time. I could be wrong here, so thus why I'm making this post.

I don't plan on replacing my SC40BC2 as long it keep working, but I am thinking of adding 1 or 2 more 60 lbs washers. I'm going to make a new thread for that.

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Antoine Vo
Store Owner/ Employee
Les Laundry Inc
Everett MA
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9.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

Posted 10 days ago
I made the mistake of replacing the bearing on a SC40MD washer. If you add the parts + labor (extensive labor $350 - $500 if I recall correctly), it will be pretty close to the cost of the pressfit kit that does not take much labor to install. It is worth it to purchase & install the entire pressfit upgrade kit.

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Hani A
Inglewood CA
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10.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

Posted 9 days ago
I'm doing the press-fit kits in mine.  It will last longer, it is a very tight assembly when done.  I have one store full of 20+ year Speed Queens.  No plan to replace any in the next 5 years.

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Timothy Foster
Multi-Store Owner/ Employee
Toledo
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