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Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

  • 1.  Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

    Posted 01-09-2018 17:47
    I have some SC40BC2 machines. It's an older model so apparently there's some "Pressfit Upgrade Kit" (F935P3) for them. Apparently upgrading it means less bearing jobs. The big question is buying all the parts needed for a bearing job is ~$150 dollars. Buying a pressfit upgrade kit is ~$680. The argument I have been told is the pressfit upgrade mean it adds 10 years. But at $680 and assuming price remains relatively the same, the not-upgrade path means the machines has to break down at ratio of 4-5x times versus 1 bearing job breakdown of an upgraded version to come out ahead.

    Am I missing something? Anyone want to tell me why I should invest in making the upgrade? Or am I better off not upgrading?

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    Antoine Vo
    Store Owner/ Employee
    Les Laundry Inc
    Everett MA
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  • 2.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

    Posted 01-09-2018 18:16
    Edited by Larry Adamski 01-09-2018 18:17
    Antoine,

    Yes you're missing something.  You're forgetting about the labor to install the replacement bearings/seals repeatedly vs the labor to install the press fit kit once.  It's not just a matter of comparing parts prices and their respective life expectancy.  I've owned 9 HC40BC washers and I've done plenty of bearing jobs.  The best life I was able to achieve was 10 years on a bearing job but sometimes it was more like 7 years.  I now have 19 of the "press fit" HCN020 and HCN040 washers and I've not had to do a single bearing job yet.  In fact, even my 8 ten year old HC30AC washers have not required a bearing job yet but, as far as I know, these are not the improved "press fit" design.  So Alliance has made great strides in their effort to improve main bearing/seal longevity even prior to developing the "press fit" design changes.

    My recommendation is to replace older HCxxBC washers with new HCNxxx washers whenever possible.  (The xxx represents the rated washer capacity in pounds.)  If the budget won't allow total replacement, then upgrading HCxxBC washers to the "press fit" design would be worth the extra cost.

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    Larry Adamski
    Muskegon Laundromat
    Spring Lake MI
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  • 3.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

    Posted 01-09-2018 19:23
    Are you sure you are looking at the pressfit kit? 680.00 seems cheap. It sounds more like a trunion kit. Trunion kit is just bearings and seals installed in new trunion. Pressfit includes new basket.

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    Chris Mirisciotta
    Store Owner/ Employee
    Canon Coin Laundry
    Canonsburg PA
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  • 4.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

    Posted 01-09-2018 19:33
    Chris is right. That's just the price for the trunnion. You still need a basket and a rental tool kit and the patience of Job.

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    Samuel Mock
    Store Owner/ Employee
    Dixie Laundry
    Ridgeland SC
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  • 5.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

    Posted 01-09-2018 20:45
    Chris,

    Hence my recommendation to buy new washers as the best solution.

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    Larry Adamski
    Muskegon Laundromat
    Spring Lake MI
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  • 6.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

    Posted 01-10-2018 16:04
    Larry, do you think Antoine should finance (leverage)the new machines or pay cash?

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    James Courtney
    Distributor Employee
    Commercial Financing Group
    San Diego CA
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  • 7.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

    Posted 01-10-2018 17:58
    James,

    While I cannot determine Antoine's financial condition from his post, I would hope that he can find a way to at least replace the one HC40BC that needs the bearing job.  If he doesn't have the cash and can finance; that is something that should be seriously looked at.  The new HCN040KVC is 6 speed, highly programmable, extremely competitive washer yet it can be installed on the base of the HC40BC.  So even replacing just that one washer would be very easy and he could enjoy a higher vend price, increased efficiency and a new warranty while saving the rebuild cost of the HC40BC.  More importantly, having made such a purchase may convince him to begin planning a major rehab of his entire laundromat.
    Larry, do you think Antoine should finance (leverage)the new machines or pay cash?
    James Courtney,  01-10-2018 16:04


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    Larry Adamski
    Muskegon Laundromat
    Spring Lake MI
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  • 8.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

    Posted 01-10-2018 19:59
    Actually my current SC40BC machines are all currently working (despite the thread I made a while back asking for help for a malfunctioning SC40BC, turns out one of the ribber cables got accidentally snipped making the coin drop become umpowered).

    I made this thread because I can't find any discussion about the press fit kit and its importance. What caused me to wonder is because we currently do have one SC40BC that its bearing is going to get there sooner than later (we can hear it). This lead us to talk about preemptive actions which lead me to remember the washer is an older model that apparently have a press fit kit to upgrade the bearing rather than replace the currently one. But also led me to wonder why should I upgrade versus just do another bearing job.

    I know bearing jobs are not fun, but I am not sure the cost of upgrading was really worth it (I have to admit that I am lacking knowledge of the SC40BC2, we took over the laundromat and building, we have laundromat experience before, but not speed queens and no SC40BC2). I was missing the labor aspect, but if the next bearing job is 7 years from now, then even if the upgrade mean no bearing jobs for the next 20 years, well to me at least, 7 years is a pretty good amount of time. I could be wrong here, so thus why I'm making this post.

    I don't plan on replacing my SC40BC2 as long it keep working, but I am thinking of adding 1 or 2 more 60 lbs washers. I'm going to make a new thread for that.

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    Antoine Vo
    Store Owner/ Employee
    Les Laundry Inc
    Everett MA
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  • 9.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

    Posted 01-12-2018 18:00
    I made the mistake of replacing the bearing on a SC40MD washer. If you add the parts + labor (extensive labor $350 - $500 if I recall correctly), it will be pretty close to the cost of the pressfit kit that does not take much labor to install. It is worth it to purchase & install the entire pressfit upgrade kit.

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    Hani A
    Inglewood CA
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  • 10.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

    Posted 01-12-2018 23:32
    I'm doing the press-fit kits in mine.  It will last longer, it is a very tight assembly when done.  I have one store full of 20+ year Speed Queens.  No plan to replace any in the next 5 years.

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    Timothy Foster
    Multi-Store Owner/ Employee
    Toledo
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  • 11.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

    Posted 03-17-2018 11:00
    Edited by SAM SLOANE 03-17-2018 11:11
    I have to do another bearing job on an HC50MD2 model (1997) after doing one just 5 years ago. I'm now wondering if the pressfit kit is the better option, however, I'd like to know what the actual difference is between just replacing the trunnion (seals, bearings fully assembled in new housing) priced at $700 vs the kit priced at $1,400. Are the bearings actually different and better than ones I would get with the standard trunnion replacement. Also what actually comes with the "kit" - trunnion, sleeve and new basket??

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    SAM SLOANE
    Store Owner/ Employee
    Amherst NH
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  • 12.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

    Posted 03-17-2018 17:41
    I'm pretty sure it's the same bearings and seals. The difference is they moved the front bearing closer to the door so it takes the weight better. That's why you get a new drum with the kit. The race is in a different place. This is what i was told by a dist. Same work involved. I don't think i would use the press fit in anything ten years or older. I would replace it with a Dexter and forget about bearings.

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    Chris Mirisciotta
    Store Owner/ Employee
    Canon Coin Laundry
    Canonsburg PA
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  • 13.  RE: Pressfit Upgrade Question for SC40BC2

    Posted 03-26-2018 17:03
    Alliance certainly prices the pressfit kits to sell. When you compare the prices of the original basket/shaft only on that machine might be $2-3k and the pressfit kit (includes basket/shaft and bearing housing) for 800-1500.00
    All depends on how long you want to run these machines until you replace them. If you're going the long haul, do the press fit. If you're buying in the next couple years then be really cheap and just change out the seals and bearings in the housing for (100.00+/-).
    Obviously you're time and aggravation has a great value so figure that in as well.

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    Ray Guay
    Distributor Employee
    Daniels Equipment Company Inc
    Auburn NH
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