Open Forum

Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

  • 1.  Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 03-03-2015 16:09
    Edited by Brian Henderson 03-03-2015 18:46

    Howdy everyone,

    After enough interest from other laundry owners about how I used SketchUp (a free 3D modeling program) to design our newest store, I decided to create a series of videos showing how I did it.  I will be posting updates to this thread and will eventually collect them all into a final blog post thing here on coinlaundry.org.

    I hope it's useful to you!  Let me know if there is anything in particular you would like to see or learn about.

    Here's the first video:

    Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD): Part 1

    Update 3/3/15:

    Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD): Part 2

    Update 3/3/15:

    Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD): Part 3

    Update 3/3/15:

    Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD): Part 4

    (Okay, that's enough for one day!)

    ------------------------------
    Brian Henderson
    Store Owner
    Liberty Laundry
    Broken Arrow OK
    ------------------------------



  • 2.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 03-03-2015 17:58


    ------------------------------
    Brian Henderson
    Store Owner
    Liberty Laundry
    Broken Arrow OK
    ------------------------------




  • 3.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 03-04-2015 11:44

    Brain,

     

    Do you have any Dexter models components that you can pass on over to import into sketch-up? :-)

     

    Thanks

    Nabil



  • 4.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 03-04-2015 14:08

    Nabil,

    I recorded a quick video showing how you can make some Dexter models to share with all of us :)

    Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD): Part 5 

    Is the only difference between the "regular" type of Dexter equipment and the "Express" extraction speed?  I noticed that the cabinet dimensions were a bit different. 

    ------------------------------
    Brian Henderson
    Store Owner
    Liberty Laundry
    Broken Arrow OK
    ------------------------------




  • 5.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 03-04-2015 11:45

    Thanks for the demo and videos.  I also used SketchUp to design a remodel and future upgrades to my store.  It is much easier to move around the images than the machines.

    Watch out, SketchUp is addictive!


    ------------------------------
    Rod Lloyd
    Store Owner
    Rainier OR
    ------------------------------




  • 6.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 03-04-2015 14:11
    Awesome, Rod.  It's not like we're rearranging furniture, is it?  Planning beforehand saves so much work later.  We were using graph paper and Lego pieces before this, trying to figure out how it would all fit together.  It was a breath of fresh air drawing it and knowing it was all to scale.

    ------------------------------
    Brian Henderson
    Store Owner
    Liberty Laundry
    Broken Arrow OK
    ------------------------------




  • 7.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 03-05-2015 14:59

    Sorry to keep bumping this but here is the next video in the series:

    Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD): Part 6

    In this video I show how to use a pre-drawn floor plan as a template for creating a 3D model of the whole store. 

    ------------------------------
    Brian Henderson
    Store Owner
    Liberty Laundry
    Broken Arrow OK
    ------------------------------




  • 8.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 03-06-2015 17:22

    Awesome job Brian! Thanks for taking the time to create the videos! I think it was also helpful for those who aren't aware of certain planning requirements to talk about those standards like the spacing between washers.

    Al

    ------------------------------
    alamaral@comcast.net No Name Provided
    Other
    ------------------------------




  • 9.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 03-06-2015 09:42
    Bryan, this is AMAZING! Even I can understand how to do  this now, it is the most informative, very articulate, and I can't thank you enough for sharing this. If anyone is even considering building a laundry, they would be crazy not to use this invaluable tool!!!!!!!!!!

    ------------------------------
    JAY LANKFORD
    Employee
    BROKEN ARROW OK
    ------------------------------




  • 10.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 04-23-2015 13:04
    Edited by Paul Erb 04-23-2015 13:04

    Brian,

    Thanks for your presentation and work on this topic!  It got me up to speed on my first apartment laundry design and makes for an impressive visual for the client.  My skill is basic, but it works for what I need now.  I need more time working with SketchUp so I can add colors, etc...



    ------------------------------
    Paul Erb
    The Laundry Spot, LLC
    Austin TX
    ------------------------------




  • 11.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 04-23-2015 20:59

    Ooh, nice Paul!  Smart idea using it for selling a concept to a client.  If they can see it, and more importantly see exactly how it's going to fit since it's all drawn to scale, then it's got to be much easier to convince someone.  Cool.

    Store #1 is ten years old now (today!) and due for a remodel.  My father and I have been talking it over and it's looking like we will be replacing most of the equipment for SQ Quantum Gold.  With some careful planning using SketchUp I think we can both increase the wash capacity of the store AND gain some floor space - win win!  I'll be posting more videos of that soon showing how I'm taking measurements of an existing store, noting the current footprint of equipment, and comparing how new equipment will fit in its place.

    ------------------------------
    Brian Henderson
    Operations Manager
    Liberty Laundry
    Broken Arrow OK
    ------------------------------




  • 12.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 04-24-2015 12:03
    Edited by Brian Henderson 04-24-2015 14:25

    Some screenshots of my 3D model for our Lynn Lane store in Broken Arrow.  These drawings are of the store as it is today.

    Here's the equipment floating in the air with the drain troughs underneath them.  Since we are replacing just about all of the washers, drawing the concrete drain troughs precisely and in the correct locations was very important.  Now that I know the exact size and location of the troughs, I am free to place my new machine models around in different configurations to my heart's content until I figure out the best fit.  My goal with the remodel is to add wash size capacity without sacrificing floor space.

    ------------------------------
    Brian Henderson
    Operations Manager
    Liberty Laundry
    Broken Arrow OK
    ------------------------------




  • 13.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 05-14-2015 10:35
    Edited by Brian Henderson 05-14-2015 10:37

    Okay, so here's a great example of how 3D modeling can really help you to remodel a store:  We've been making our plans for store #1's remodel.  It's ten years old now and we know that we really need more high-capacity machines there.  After playing around with moving machines around a bit, I asked the question, "What would happen if we replaced all of the washers with new Speed Queen Quantum Gold machines?  We know we're adding credit card readers to the machines as part of this project, it would be nice to do multi-level pricing for the different cycles on every washer in the store."  So, I modeled that and we got a price quote from our distributor.  It was a nice layout, added something like 400 lbs. of wash capacity to the store while actually gaining some floor space in a few key areas.  Awesome!  However...

    The quote came in for that ^ layout about $100k more than we could afford.  Yikes!  Projected ROI was like 10 years.  We want something more like half that or less at this point in time for our company.  This is just a remodel after all.  So, back to the drawing board!  No problem, now that I had a price quote from our distributor telling me how much they were going to charge for each machine, I set out to determine the machine mix that would both cut costs about $100k from the project while still accomplishing the goal of adding larger machines to the store and all the while not sacrificing the store's floor space or nice aesthetics.  I think I've done it:

    So, several existing machines get shuffled around and all the new big guys go in the middle of the store.  For the dryers, we're removing two single pocket 50's and four stack 30's and in their place putting 6 stack 45's.  It's not my ideal layout or everything I ever wanted, but it's a reasonable compromise that achieves both goals of a reasonable time to return on investment and more large machines in the store.

    We're meeting with someone this Friday morning who we think will be able to point us toward some skilled people to assist us with the plumbing, electrical, tile, and drywall work that will be part of this project so we'll have a better grasp of those costs soon.  Our goal is to complete this remodel before the end of summer - wish us luck!  I'll be posting pictures along the way just for fun and so others can learn from our project.  If you've got any questions about the project or questions about 3D modeling laundromats then hit me up!

    ------------------------------
    Brian Henderson
    Store Owner
    Liberty Laundry
    Broken Arrow OK
    ------------------------------




  • 14.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 07-09-2015 17:54

    Well, it's too late to turn back now!

    Let's see how useful this 3D modeling actually is when figuring out a store remodel!  We are going to update so many things at this ten year old store - it will be glorious!  This is the end result of day one for the remodel.

    ------------------------------
    Brian Henderson
    Store Owner
    Liberty Laundry
    Broken Arrow OK
    ------------------------------




  • 15.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 07-10-2015 09:31

    Brian,

    Did you close the store for the remodel?  How long is the projected project and how are you handling down time?  I love the 3D layouts - no need to convert me :-)

    Rick



    ------------------------------
    Richard Porqueddu
    Store Owner
    Sayville Laundromat, Inc.
    Middle Island NY
    ------------------------------




  • 16.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 07-10-2015 10:06

    We are tackling one bay of machines at a time so we will be able to remain open through most of this, although there will be inconveniences here and there.   Our goal for completion is sometime in August, mainly before the public schools open again after summer break.  Total project time should be about 5 weeks.  We will probably need to close down for a day or two sometime late next week when we pull out some of our dryers and redo some drywall.  It's going to be pretty messy work so we shouldn't be open for that.

    ------------------------------
    Brian Henderson
    Store Owner
    Liberty Laundry
    Broken Arrow OK
    ------------------------------




  • 17.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 07-14-2015 13:11
    Edited by Brian Henderson 07-14-2015 13:12

    Sure enough, we had to scrape up some stuff left on the concrete from the tile we removed before we can set new machines in place, so we have closed for the afternoon.  We might re-open this evening once the dust settles a bit and we can clean up some. The dryers we're selling have been removed and we're about to relocate some 20 lb. washers!

    What do you think of our Unistrut framing?  It serves as both a place to mount the electrical and plumbing, but also as a frame for the bulkhead cabinetry.  This is the same trick we used for our newest store we built last year.  I'm still trying to decide if I like our individual machine shutoff switch solution for the electrical.  Since it's a remodel we had to get a bit creative.  We'll see how it turns out.

    I have never seen anything like the machine this tile guy is using to scrape the floor.  It busts right through the stuff, though!  You can see in the background the drywall guy finishing up cutting a larger hole in the wall for our soon-to-be-installed stack 45 lb. dryers.  We're going from two 50 lb. pockets to twelve 45 lb. pockets!  That should help a lot with dryer bottlenecks on the weekends!



    ------------------------------
    Brian Henderson
    Store Owner
    Liberty Laundry
    Broken Arrow OK
    ------------------------------




  • 18.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 07-14-2015 18:21
    Edited by Michael Walsh 07-14-2015 18:24

    Brian,

    The last thing that I like to do is to be "a back seat driver" so to speak ... but can I ask in as polite of a way as possible why you opted for that style of valves for your washer hoses?

    Last week we just did the final completion of getting rid of that style of hose spigots for our 32 washers.  There were 64 3/4" full flow ball valves total ... that we put in with the accompanying numerous brass fittings needed for the existing 3/4" female npt ports on our existing 2" copper lines.  32 for the hot water & 32 for the cold water.  We did all of that after our 10 PM closings with our own in house payroll labor & my own personal labor.  We did this 16 at a time because of time constraints.  We had the luxury of doing the "in house project" four 16 valve sessions during separate weeks over a several month period.

    Long term wise ... based on experience ... ball valves tend to be more durable & trouble free.  To the best of my knowledge, most mechanical contractors & HVAC mechanical engineers agree when it comes to choosing ball valves.  The only other thing that I personally would have insisted upon is the sealtight flexible conduit rather than that style of flexible metallic conduit that was chosen shown in your picture.  I do agree that the galvanized Unistrut framing is a good idea.  Thanks for sharing.

    I know ... I know ... my turn is coming to also hopefully get a respectful & healthy critique when I am brave enough to post pictures similar to yours!

    ------------------------------
    Michael Walsh www.kingkoin.com
    Store Owner
    King Koin Laundry, Car n Dog Wash
    Bismarck ND
    ------------------------------




  • 19.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 07-16-2015 10:16

    Dear Brian,

    It looks great, but what do you if you need to get back there and change a belt or fix a water valve?  There is not much room for a service man.  However, it looks like you are on a modular base of some kind.  Maybe you can pull your machines away to get behind them??

    All in all it looks wonderful!  Congrats and good luck!!

    RickP



    ------------------------------
    Richard Porqueddu
    Store Owner
    Sayville Laundromat, Inc.
    Middle Island NY
    ------------------------------




  • 20.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 07-16-2015 16:18
    Edited by Brian Henderson 07-16-2015 16:29

    Michael, excellent questions and comments.  We too wondered about waterproof conduit but our electrician insists that what we're using is sufficient and safe.  As for the spigots, they're just whatever our plumber used.  I personally have no preference.  I believe you raised the same point when we built our third store, and my answer is the same now as it was then.  It's just what the plumber installed and I'm okay with it.

    Richard, you're right that it is kind of tight in the bulkheads.  30" between machines, back to back.  5" between the back of the machines and the interior framing.  I climbed inside the partially completed first bay of machines and although it is tight, there's just enough room to move around.  I'll need to route the supply hoses and zip tie them in out-of-the-way places so as to keep sufficient working space inside.  Here's a direct view to see how much space I'll have to work with:

    The goal was to maximize customer floor space wherever possible.  Installing larger machines in an existing store eats floor space quickly if you don't sacrifice space somewhere else.

    The bases for our 60's and 40's have been installed.  Our distributor, KeeWes Equipment Co., will be installing the steel bases over at the third bay tomorrow morning so that the tile guys can begin their work tomorrow afternoon.  Look at how the new bases perfectly match the drainage trough!  It's almost like someone 3D modeled the whole thing in exact detail beforehand or something!

    Edit: I thought I'd include a bonus "action shot" because it looks cool.  Brett is the MAN!

    Also, update to the original idea of staying open through most of this: Scratch that idea!  We decided to totally shut down the store so we could blast through the equipment upgrade as quick as possible.  We've been manning the store with one attendant at a time who redirects any customers to our next closest store.  We give them a free wash coupon and awesomely enough most of them have been making the seven mile drive to the other store!  How's that for brand loyalty? :D

    ------------------------------
    Brian Henderson
    Store Owner
    Liberty Laundry
    Broken Arrow OK
    ------------------------------




  • 21.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 07-26-2015 12:15

    Hey Brian,

    How did the upgrade go?  How long did you have to keep the store closed?  It would also be interesting hear about the impact of the new equipment mix over time.  I suspect the bigger machines will be well received.  Any noise from customers about losing the top loads?  You also can examine the impact of adding credit card payment options.  Many operators wondering if this will contribute a lift.   I am biased and believe that the larger machines + credit cards will be popular with customers.

    ------------------------------
    William Balch
    Store Owner
    U-City Coin Wash
    San Diego CA
    ------------------------------




  • 22.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 07-29-2015 11:26
    Edited by Brian Henderson 07-29-2015 11:26

    Hi Bill!

    Thanks for asking about the project.  We're nearing the finish line!  We decided to shut down the store on Tuesday, 7/14, and believe we will be open by Friday, 7/31, so that's two and a half weeks we've been completely closed to self-service customers. The good news is that we will be done by August, which was our goal.  We have still been accepting drop off laundry orders this whole time and have been shuttling the clothes to the other stores and back.  It has taken some careful coordination but fortunately our whole team has been on board with the project.  Everyone is so excited!  We have also been handing out "one free wash, any size machine" coupons with maps to our other two stores to any self-service customers who pull up to the store.  We have had a huge amount of customers make the drive across town to stick with Liberty Laundry - how reassuring!  It's motivation to keep building more locations in this area and to continue to build our brand.  It has certainly helped to keep our income up during this time.  It would be such a huge impact if we only had one store.

    The new SpyderWash system won't be delivered until next week so we will probably have to open before getting that installed.  A bit disappointing but worth the wait.  I am looking forward to sharing the impact of adding credit card readers to an already successful ten year old store.  Combined with removing eight top loaders and adding in many new high capacity washers and dryers, we expect to see an increase in self-service income based on our experience with our other two stores in the same area but time will tell.

    I thought it was cool to see the cabinetry guy's plans for our bulkheads.  The company he works for does the cabinetry for most of QuikTrip's new stores throughout the country.  How cool is that?  And if you don't know who QuikTrip is, well then you're probably not an Okie.

    Fancy new stainless steel utility sink classes the place up a bit! You can see some of the new tile around the machines (dark blue and diagonal tile).  We had to go with new stuff because they don't make the old stuff anymore!  Dang.

    Cabinetry guy taking some final measurements for the bulkhead.  Side note: Our drain trough in the middle bay for the new high capacity washers isn't quite big enough!! Oh no!  We temporarily have placed reducers on the drain pipes of those machines while we await a deeper plastic trough from High Mark Manufacturing to arrive in about a week.  Live and learn.  Our other two stores have much deeper troughs.

    My Assistant Operations Manager, Sean, is scrubbing the sides of machines with some Bar Keeper's Friend to shine the metal and remove some soap scum stains.  Since we rearranged a lot of equipment, years of soap buildup was exposed so we're taking the opportunity to get that cleaned up!  I really like the new doors to our bulkheads, with the lock and piano hinge.

    More to come soon!
    ------------------------------
    Brian Henderson
    Store Owner
    Liberty Laundry
    Broken Arrow OK
    ------------------------------




  • 23.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 07-31-2015 07:42

    Brian, thanks for sharing your progress and photos! One question do you put a cover on your trough drains? If not have you had any issues with odor?


    ------------------------------
    Al Amaral
    Store Owner
    No. Dartmouth MA
    ------------------------------




  • 24.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 07-31-2015 15:04

    Al, no we do not cover our drain troughs.  I find that a cover causes too much hassle when troubleshooting equipment - I want to be able to watch the drain pipe when testing a machine to inspect for drain valve problems.  Plus I like being able to easily inspect if the trough needs flushing due to an exploded comforter or pillow.

    Once in a while an odor occurs if I go longer than half a year without hosing down some of the eventual buildup at one end of a couple of our troughs.  A quick scrub and hosing down with some hot water does the trick and I get to put off that chore for another six months.

    ------------------------------
    Brian Henderson
    Store Owner
    Liberty Laundry
    Broken Arrow OK
    ------------------------------




  • 25.  RE: Laundromat Design With SketchUp (3D CAD)

    Posted 07-31-2015 15:43

    All done!  Well, almost.  We are awaiting SpyderWash and the High Mark trough to arrive next week, so I've got that to look forward to.

    For comparison's sake, here's how the store used to look (these are some old pictures, from '05 or '06 I think):

    Yup, definitely and old picture - we sold that press a few years ago.

    Notice the trip hazard floor drain in the bottom left corner of the picture?  Also, hello top loaders!

    And here are the "completed" pics of the upgrade (as of 7/30/2015):

    So, yeah, it's pretty similar to what it used to be.  That was the idea.  I was working with an existing space and some existing infrastructure, which is why I had to 3D model it to make sure the new stuff would fit well.  We added over a couple hundred pounds of wash capacity which should allow for much quicker weekend customer throughput.  It gets pretty busy in here on Sundays.

    All of these new pics were taken with my iPhone.  We'll have a professional photographer come in soon to help us create some marketing material.

    My machine size and number labels have to be remade for a few machines on this third bay.  The original plan was to put the four 30-lb. washers at either end with 20-lb. washers in the middle, but we decided last minute to put all four at one end to keep it similar to the middle bay of washers which has four 60-lb. washers at one end and four 40-lb. washers at the other end.  However, I had already ordered the labels a couple of weeks ago so I'll need to order some updated ones.  ANYWAY... that's an extremely boring and tiny detail!

    The new tile really fits in nicely, doesn't it?  It's surrounded by that dark blue border.

    Finally tiled the walls in the bathroom and added a changing station.  Gave it a whole new drop ceiling, fluorescent light, and exhaust fan, too.  I... don't... want to show you pictures of how the bathroom used to look.  It wasn't horrible, but it wasn't all that good either.

    Those new 6-bulb T5 light fixtures along with our skylights keep the store nice and bright!  Should save us some money on electricity, too.  If money was no object then I would have insisted on painting the beams and struts white as well, but... you know... money.



    ------------------------------
    Brian Henderson
    Store Owner
    Liberty Laundry
    Broken Arrow OK
    ------------------------------