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Subject: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

1.  Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 7 days ago
Godfather is ordering 3-60lb to slowly eliminate 2 rows of tops which are back to back. Still intend to keep one row.

Electric n water no problem.

Having a problem with drain. Size is ok.
The problem is....gonna make it as simple as I can explain.

The main drain for tops is 11 inches off the ground. Thats from floor to base of drain pipe. The line has Y's with a P-trap and a 3ft standpipe every 3 ft and the tops dump into it. The distance from floor to bottom of P-trap is 3-4inches.

The line then goes into the ground and is connected to a vent stack.

The problem is, that the dist says the max size base is 8" and the dist from floor to bottom of washer drain is 2" that equals 10inches.

First option if i connect as is with a P-trap then connect to main line...the drain line will be higher than 1inch from the top of the drain for the washer. As you know water does not travel up.

I dont want to tear plumbing to lower main drain to get it maybe 2-3inches down if I dont have too.

So question is, do they make a 12inch base for 60lb and is 1inch diff too much.

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ORIGINAL GODFATHER
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2.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 6 days ago
Bob,

Your only option is to hire a plumber and lower the drain starting below floor level. He can probably do this by putting a new trap below ground, then a street ell and then the necessary pipe and wyes.

Consider putting the 60s on 6" bases to avoid getting the soap dispenser too high. Of course, also make sure the washer drain is higher than your drain collection plumbing.

This all may seem a little daunting but it's not that bad and it'll be done right so your new washers will work reliably for many years. Since these issues often come up during a major front loader installation, this is why I often preach revising the floor plan to end up with all washers in the best possible layout.

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Larry Adamski
Muskegon Laundromat
Spring Lake MI
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3.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 6 days ago
Bob,

Here is another idea. Cut out the floor and make an in-floor concrete trough (if allowed in your area). Your plumber can prepare the drain connection first. Use a couple of suspended stand pipes that empty into the trough for the old top loaders. These can be easily removed when you replace those top loaders with front loaders later on.

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Larry Adamski
Muskegon Laundromat
Spring Lake MI
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4.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 6 days ago


Run SEPERATE line for new machines, and connect in at end of line. No plumber even needed, ***if you have handi man that knows how to play with pvc***

Very easy

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Ben Gottlieb
Store Owner/ Employee
Laundry City
Jacksonville FL
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5.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 6 days ago
Bob,

I'm a little confused about the existing P-trap.  Could you post a picture while using a tape measure to show the distance from the floor to the bottom of the flange of the P-trap?

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Larry Adamski
Muskegon Laundromat
Spring Lake MI
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6.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 6 days ago
This will seem kind of a dumb question coming from a longer term operator ... but one who has zero experience with top loaders.  We have always been an all front loader laundromat since 1959.  Also there has been some discussion about some soft mounts being installed with pumps by default from the manufacturer.  On our old pre dexter philco bendix's I kinda vaguely remember seeing a huge number of discarded pumps that my dad & his partner had replaced with dump valves because the brand new washers came with the pumps by default.  Shortly after that 2" gravity drains showed up & I notice on our Gen4s they all have 3" gravity drains.

Here goes the probably silly question:  Are almost all top loaders in laundromats installed with pumps instead of gravity drains?

BTW ... I know I do lose a few customers because of the "soak factor & ability to open & close again before done" to another laundromat's section of top loaders.

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Michael Walsh www.kingkoin.com
Store Owner/ Employee
King Koin Laundry, Car n Dog Wash
Bismarck ND
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7.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 6 days ago
Mr. Walsh,

first, you are the most well dressed by pic on this forum. Reminds me the days wheb the godfathers used to dress like that till i became a mat owner and had to switch to Tshirt and jeans as I am the electrician/repairman/deliveryman/plumber and Janitor.
Sorry godfather cant put his pic on here( you can look up 10 most wanted-similar look)

yes all tops have pump. And yes no matter what size mat you have...... a row of tops is needed. For example in my last row i have 5-20lb on the godfather special of 1.50 m-f.
Even if those are empty... customers want to use the top. Even if tops are $2.
Thats what they like.
So lets say if i lose 15customers. They spend average $10 a visit. That $150/week. Thats $7800/yr. thats $93,600 over a 12yr period of the lifespan of a Top. Thats not counting the persons who use 3-4 FL and want 1 top for soaking whites or the friends who the top users bring as new customers.

And technology has changed.

If a SQ is overloaded. The motor shuts off usually.

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ORIGINAL GODFATHER
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8.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 6 days ago
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Bob,
Do not mess with drain lines.  Just remove everything and start fresh with a drainage basin.  See attached photo.  Your plumber will have to excavate where the current drain line enters the floor but this is only a one time expense and well worth the aggravation and hassle.
The drainage basin will accomplish the following:
  • basin is a Reservoir  (Drain water will exit your washers into the basin and continue on their merry way.  Not always possible with a connected drain line.),
  • a Sudz Zone (excess soap bubbles will be contained in the basin and not bubble up in to adjacent washers),
  • basin has a Lint Filter to catch lint and big items that would eventually cause problems in your main drain line.
There are a couple of great suppliers or you can fabricate one yourself out of concrete or SS or plastic.  I am sure your local distributor can help you with the design and pricing.  As a distributor of over 50 years we always use drainage basins on new installations and also on many retools (like your situation).
Contact me directly with any questions.



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Karl Hinrichs
HK Laundry Equipment Inc.
President
Armonk, NY
914-273-5757
karl@HKLaundry.com
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9.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 6 days ago
Larry,
the godfather mesaured it
from the floor to bottom of Ptrap is 6.25 inches
from floor to bottom of Drain line is 13 inches

See attached pic!!!!

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ORIGINAL GODFATHER
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10.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 6 days ago
I am not sure if I fully understand the problem. But if the last line is that "Is 1 inch too much?" Is the problem- here goes....

Here is a stab at this:
Stack large washers to account for about 1/2" between the concrete floor and the metal base.
Stack more large washers between the top of metal base and the washing machine frame.

Use ALL THE HOLES AND BOLT ALL POSSIBLE OPENINGS on floor to base and base to machine.

Grout the botttom of the base where there is an opening. After you determine economically it is prudent to do the other row I would do the whole thing correctly. (Personally I would redo the plumbing drains).

This should work. Esthetically, it's not what I do but if you don't want a lot of down time- this will work.

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Rob Bodner
President
EFR Inc/ The Laundromat Guys
Park Ridge, NJ
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11.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 5 days ago
God father.
Simple ,easy ,fast and cost less. make you a good solid 4" concrete pad "and make sure you tight in with your exiting slap " set your 8 inches steel base on it and now you have 12 inches , I have 5 rows installed like this and don't I see any problem .
If you don't like concrete pad ,no problem . You can double 6" steel base ,I mean stack two 6" steel base on top each other and weld them together, now you have what you asking for !!! Its may take 1-2 hours for a welder to get that job done so it don't cost you more than $300 for welding job .
note : two welded 6" steel base is stronger than one single 12" steel base .

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Linh Nguyen
Store Owner/ Employee
Mobile AL
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12.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 5 days ago
In the second photo it appears the sanitary T has room to go closer to the floor. Sometimes you may have to create a small divot in the concrete to accommodate the bottom of the trap.

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Chris Mirisciotta
Store Owner/ Employee
Canon Coin Laundry
Canonsburg PA
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13.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 5 days ago
Amen finally I can see the solution from Chris.
Here the funny story about the soap factory, always some empty box mix in with the package, so all engineer get together to see how to solve the problem, some want to install more sensor, more weight sensor to eliminate the empty box.
When the janitor walk by, he heard the discussion, he just ask why do not install the low speed fan, at right pressure it will blow the empty box away. LOL
We have couple big washers (installed by some distributor, not me) they did knock out the slab to fit in the bottom of the p-trap.

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Phu Tran
Store Owner/ Employee
Garland TX
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14.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 5 days ago
Edited by Larry Adamski 5 days ago
Bob,

Having viewed your two pictures, it appears your plumbing system was designed for top load washers with a trap under each standpipe and likely no trap below grade.  That's good for top load washers.  Now you're converting to front load washers so do it right and do it just one time.

Pull out all the washers along one side of the bulkhead.  Cut off the drain system under that tee (the one that has the vent line going up from it) and remove that whole drain system.  Remove the old bulkhead frame but temporarily support the electrical and water lines with scaffolding or other method.  Cut open the floor for a 8" deep, concrete trough collection system.  Have a plumber install a trap and drain below the trough (preferably in the center of the trough).  Have a concrete guy pour a 12" wide trough.  Build a 35" wide bulkhead that is as high as the 60 lb. washers will end up (probably 65" high or so).  The new bulkhead should have an access door on one end.  Attach electrical and water lines to new bulkhead.  Install 2 simple, PVC standpipes that drain into the trough without P-traps for the 6 top loaders.  This wider, higher bulkhead will allow good access to the rear of those 60 lb. washers and top loaders without the need to remove top loaders to gain access.  This also allows for the easy installation of front loaders when you're ready to remove the last 6 top loaders some day.

This is exactly what I did in my own laundromat in 2008 when I removed most of my top loaders and two 12" wide bulkheads that were original to my 50 year old laundromat.  No regrets AT ALL.  See picture.

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Larry Adamski
Muskegon Laundromat
Spring Lake MI
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15.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 5 days ago
Edited by Curt Harrington 5 days ago
Now you listen to me!  DO NOT USE A 8" BASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 6" max. Just redo your plumbing.
Yes having a trap for each washer is a good idea but one at the end of a 3 machine run will work just fine.
And when you install them up you should get back with me on settings. There are some things you will want to do.
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Curt Harrington

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16.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 5 days ago
Curt,

like what settings?? I am confused.
I already ordered the washers today. Will be installing hopefully in 3 weeks.

And i will put them on a 6" base plus drain is 3" higher, so that will be 9" off ground.

Going to connect at end of drain with a SADDLE TEE.....has anyone used on. Its basically you cut a hole in pvc drain and install a adapter and clamp it down. No glue etc. its called Flexall by Fernco 4" saddle tee.

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ORIGINAL GODFATHER
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17.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 5 days ago
Saddle tee is simply a matter of cutting a hole in a pipe and strapping it on with a couple of large hose clamps. Will send you my suggestions as to settings.

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Curt Harrington
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18.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 5 days ago
Something I have learned from experience after 15+ years owning laundries - DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME!

Yes, I have tried the 'work a rounds', And then do it right.

Do the plumbing and machine install PROPERLY.  It will save you headaches down the road.

 If you are doing anything major at your laundry that will inconvenience your customers, your time, or your wallet, think ahead and take the opportunity to better you future.

if you hack the plumbing together to 'just get it done' and use an inappropriate base, YOU are setting yourself up for a future headache.  This is a business to eliminate future problems, not create new ones.

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Timothy Foster
Multi-Store Owner/ Employee
Toledo
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19.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 5 days ago
Machines are being installed by the best SQ dist in the country.
Water is there
electric is good to go
only thing is whether to
1-tear all existing plumbing just to add 3 washer
2-run a new separate line which again will lead to issue as how to tap the line. Cut it and lower existing line OR somehow do a saddle tee
3- raise base to 12inches. Only fault is customers will need stool to see inside soap dish.

In any case there will no water leaks.


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ORIGINAL GODFATHER
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20.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 4 days ago
Bob,

That distributor must be good if he's planning to connect to the existing drain line with a simple saddle tee and make the water run 2" uphill.  These will be your heavy iron washers and will likely take in $100,000 over the years and you don't want to, at a minimum, cut off the old PVC line and install a new PVC line 3 - 4 inches lower.  I am truly amazed.

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Larry Adamski
Muskegon Laundromat
Spring Lake MI
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21.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 4 days ago
Edited by Paulie B 4 days ago
The best solution in the long run is to tear out that existing drain line, and put in a new one lower down, designed for front loaders.
Even if you still want to have some top loaders, you could easily wye in a few standpipes up to the proper height (30" from the ground if I recall correctly) from that new lower drain line.
A saddle T??? That's what the best Speed Queen Distributor in the country suggested?  Saddle T's are band-aides for drain lines. They should only be used when nothing else can work.

 I like what Karl Hinrichs says....rip out the old line, and put in a drain basin trough. That is absolutely the best solution if you weren't going to still use Toploaders, but I believe you said you will.
So a new low drain line for your new front loaders, and new 2" standpipes coming up to the proper height to still serve your top loaders.
Then, when you decide to rip out the top loaders in the future, you can just cut the standpipes off and attach your new front loaders to the 2" nipple that you leave after you cut them.
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Paulie B
Store Owner/ Employee
Mr Machine
New York City NY
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22.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 4 days ago
OMG !!!

You have it all wrong

THE BEST SQ DIST IN COUNTRY BY FAR IS ONLY doing install which means they will deliver, unpack, set base level, grout it, mount washer and level it.
They DO NOT CONNECT electric
They will connect water hoses and if plumbing drain is ready then hook up drain
THEY DO NOT DO PLUMBING OR ELECTRIC WORK FOR THE MAT
Per code that has to be done by licensed person including final electric connections.
When all done, Dist will program and teach and run test cycles

The local Dist is so good, i can call the 2 guys at 9pm and they return the call and help me
try that with another dist after hours!!!!

and im getting a 6inch base.

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ORIGINAL GODFATHER
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23.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 4 days ago
Don't believe the hype about how good the distributors installers are.  Unless YOU have experience with the team, they will cut corners wear-ever they can that YOU can inspect.

I recently retooled a laundry that had some new SC080's that were only 9 months old.  The install was $hit.  They used Y's on the input hoses even though there were more than enough valves in the bulk head.  During the un-install, we missed removing 2 nuts from the based  anchors, they pulled straight out of the concrete with a pallet jack!  They didn't use the proper strength machine grout.

To get your drain line lower would not be that expensive over the long haul.  Yes, it will be a little inconvenient - concrete cutting )even the 2 foot sq around your drain to lower below grade.

Last week, while working on the Hot water system, I shut off all the 220 breakers - still had power, that's odd.  Started turning off the 110 breakers, got one leg off at the system.  Eventually, figured out that they used two single pole 110 breaks on DIFFERENT sides of the panel (not even next to each other.  WTF!

Now, there is a time to cut corners - when your flipping the laundry!  If you are in the business for an extended period of time - DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

Make sure you have a plan and THEY follow your plan.  Be there and ask questions.

And, lastly - you are never stuck with new machine!

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Timothy Foster
Multi-Store Owner/ Employee
Toledo
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24.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 4 days ago
Timothy and others,

I dont know your Dist, and what they did with your install or your experiences.

But the Local SpeedQueen Dist here is by far the Best of the Best in the USA. I am NOT their salesperson or getting paid from them.

Their good work,
Install- I did 4 major purchases with them. All machines installed done right the first time and every time.
Parts---- the go to guys. You can call them and they get the right part at the best price which the godfather loves. They are cheaper than buying online after you pay shipping and all.
Repair--- i do my own, but if I have a question, their main repair guy, is the best when you are stumped. He will direct you what and how to do it right the first time. Basically they all follow Alliance install/service instructions by the book.

The owner is the nicest guy you will ever meet. Very laid back and softspoken. Not pushy or aggressive sales pitch.

And trust me the Godfather always trying to get the best deal out of them and they always there for me.

And timothy like you mentioned about the electric....thats why and also per city code all electric plumbing to be done by licensed contractor and final hook up. Unless its just attaching the drain or the water hose.

Install means basic install. Its like saying or thinking that they do complete install. Which means if you buying equip for new mat, that the dist is going to do all the work. Noooo.... thats contracted out to the pros.

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ORIGINAL GODFATHER
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25.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 4 days ago
And something else about my local SQ dist.
When I had my first child, the salesperson sent gift to the hospital. 5yrs later again for my 2nd child.

If he is passing by this side of town, he will drop by and say hello, even take a look at mat to see if everything looks and works ok.

he likes my kind of food, so he will take me to lunch on his lunch break if I am in the area or have gone their to get parts and he is going on lunch break.

Now which other Salesman does that.


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ORIGINAL GODFATHER
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26.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 4 days ago
Edited by Miguel A. Gonzalez 4 days ago

Hello original Godfather,

I do not doubt the quality, efficiency and wonders of your SQ distributor.
I hope he follows this BB and appreciate the free publicity you are giving him and will continue to provide you not even the same but better services and prices. Now stop kissing his . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   hand.
If he is the best of the best in your opinion, he should be able to provide you with a trustworthy contractor / plumber <worked before in past installations> who will solve your problem with the least cost and in the shortest possible time and above all thinking that in the future you will replace your last top loaders for front loaders. Both your SQ distributor and contractor / plumber should be thinking about not only your future installation job but their future sales to you if they provide you with the best of their knowledge and advice.

Talk to him / them he might have a solution for you



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Miguel A Gonzalez
DF
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27.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 4 days ago
Edited by Miguel A. Gonzalez 4 days ago
​Hello again to you Original Godfather,

Here is a scheme of what I would do if I were you,

Email me if you have some questions.

jomagos@jomagos.com



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Miguel A Gonzalez
DF
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28.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 4 days ago
Miguel,

What is the purpose of the 10" PVC pipe running inside the concrete trough?  I fail to understand what purpose that pipe serves.

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Larry Adamski
Muskegon Laundromat
Spring Lake MI
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29.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 4 days ago
MR GODFATHER
NOW  MAKE SURE THE INSTALL IS CORRECT
A DRAIN  TROUGH BEHIND THE MACHINES IS THE BEST LOOK AT LARRYS SET UP  ITS SWEET
 1 EASY TO GET BEHIND MACHINES TO SERVICE
2 YOU CAN COLLECT FREE MONEYS AND RINGS GOLD ,  THIS WILL PAY FOR THE TROUGH ALONE . AND WILL KEEP YOUR DRAIN LINES CLEANER THEN USING PIPE. .

3YOU AND SEE IF YOU HAVE A WATER VALVE  OR DUMP VALVE LEAKING WATER . THIS ALONE WILL SAVE THOUSANDS OF HEAD ACHES AND BIG DOLLARS IN WATER USAGE

4 THE BIG ONE   NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT GALLIONS OF MAX WATER DUMPED (GPM)  YOUR 3 INCH  LINE WONT HANDLE THE WATER FLOW IF THE MACHINES DUMP ALL TOGETHER . YOUR GPM JUST WENT UP BIG TIME COMPAIRED TO A TOP LOAD MACHINE

 WHAT WILL HAPPEN THE WATER WILL START BACKING UP IN THE OTHER FRONT LOAD MACHINES AND FLOOD THE STORE
.
AND ALSO THINK DOWN THE ROAD IF YOU WANT TO PUT IN MORE BIG MACHINES , YOUR DRAIN IS READY TO GO . AND YOU DONT NEED TALL BASES TO PLACE MACHINES ON
.
NOW THE BASES WANT TO SAVE $$$$$$$
USE I BEAMS STRAIGHT DOWN THE LINE  FRONT CENTER AND REAR  FOR THE FULL ROW OF MACHINES .
MAIN REASION I SAY THIS CAUSE IF YOU HAVE WEAK CONCREAT GOOD LUCK
CAUSE THESE FRONT LOADERS WILL RIP OUT THE ANCORS  AND THE CONCRETE
THE CONCRETE MUST BE 3500 PSI TENSILEL STRENGHT OR HIGHER AND AT LEAST 6 INCHES THICK  IF NOT YOU BETTER LAY A NEW FLOOR
NOW BY TYING IN ALL THE MACHINES ON ONE I BEAM THIS HELPS THE WHOLE LINE UP.
REMEMBER YOU CAN SHAKE   THE DOOR TO THE HOUSE BUT YOU CANT SHAKE THE HOUSE

REMEMBER YOU CAN DO THE JOB FAST AND CHEAP
OR DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN THE RIGHT WAY AND PAY TWO TIMES MORE MONEY
.
MR    GF           CHEERS AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR INSTALL
PS        IF YOUR DIST IS SO GOOD WHY ARE YOU ASKING US FOR ADVICE.

PLEASE LET US KNOW HOW IT WORKED OUT AFTER A YEAR.IN SERVICE
       30 YR TECH AL WOJO


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AL WOJCIECHOWSKI
Store Owner/ Employee
lebanon PA
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30.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 4 days ago

Hello Larry A,

It is a local government requirement in Mexico City.

Must have at least 6 inches of PVC pipes in a concrete trough or drowned underground in cement.

I had gone a little further and had installed exposed 10 inches pipes to avoid any clogging and to see now and then how the pipes are resisting any damages by earthquakes and avoid the underground spill of contaminated water and have a number of lawsuits and endless fines.

Supposedly it is to avoid or to prevent odors inside the store and the dirty water of the washing of any type of clothes can contaminate the store´s environment / clientele´s health in the laundry before they are discharged into the city´s sewer previous treatment.

Once a year a study must be done by an independent company authorized by the government for the quality and quantity of water thrown into the drainage. We must keep records to either reduce water disposal charges or hefty fines or install a wastewater treatment equipment prior to final disposal into the city´s sewer.

I strongly feel that it is a question of the authorities to charge more for the construction rights / permits and the dirty wastewaters. Like putting more obstacles for the entrepreneurs to facilitate the "mexican grease the palms / lubricate system gear" of corrupted city official looking to receive more or bigger bribes.



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Miguel A Gonzalez
DF
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31.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 3 days ago
Miguel,

Well that's just one of the most complex fixes for a non-existent problem that I ever heard of.  Consider this:  a laundromat trough contains water, detergent and dirt WHEN WASHERS ARE ACTUALLY DUMPING WATER INTO IT.  That's it.  The only "contaminant" is the detergent.  The dirt actually came directly from the environment (air, water or soil) and got onto the clothes.  So the dirt is not a contaminant, it's a naturally occurring substance.  Now you're saying that since an earthquake could break an in-ground concrete trough while some washers were dumping into it; this could cause enough site contamination that expensive and extravagant preventive measures are required by your city government.  Wow ... that's really a stretch.  Kind of makes me glad I live in Michigan.

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Larry Adamski
Muskegon Laundromat
Spring Lake MI
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32.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 4 days ago
AL & Larry's "voice of experience" approach with the drain trough is taking the high road.  I was especially impressed by Al's # 3 suggestion about not being able to catch internal water leaks->directly to specific washer's drain valve.  Then again what do I know ... maybe top loaders never leak thru because of the "pump" on each machine factor.

Inability to control odors because of an open trough ... is clearly false based on better information by people who actually are qualified with more truthful long term experience!

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Michael Walsh www.kingkoin.com
Store Owner/ Employee
King Koin Laundry, Car n Dog Wash
Bismarck ND
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33.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 4 days ago
Everyone,

Someone asked Why I am asking on here if my Dist is good. Well I did not ask Dist and even if I asked....he is not a master plumber......I have to get my master plumber in next week. Till he comes as there is no rush, I decided to ask on here.
secondly, I have trough at my other mat,,,, only thing I like is...it eliminates soap suds.
What I dislike is, no matter how good you conceal it, you have to clean by drain everyday.
Plastic bags hangers toys empty soap boxes newspaper somehow gets back there. If you dont clean....major flooding.
But a drain pipe....right size with easy cleanouts is best.
On my 1st row, i have 1-60 4-40 4-30 6-20 on same 4inch drain. 12yrs now. No issues so far.

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ORIGINAL GODFATHER
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34.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 4 days ago
Edited by Miguel A. Gonzalez 4 days ago
​Hello Al,

I like your idea " BEAMS STRAIGHT DOWN THE LINE  FRONT CENTER AND REAR  FOR THE FULL ROW OF MACHINES "
Can you elaborate more about the Steel Beams straight down the line?

How do you manage the steel beams, if you have this layout from the entrance to the store to the back in two rows of washers back to back with 1.90 mts. or 74.8031 inches or 6.2336 feet bulkhead width.

Row number 1: 1 each 60#, 4 each 40#, 3 each 30#, 1each 40# and 1 each 60#.

Row number 2: 1 each 60#, 4 each 40#, 2 each 30#, 2each 60# and 1 each 40#

And still have space either to install a couple of 40´s or 60´s on each row. Or maybe an 80# and 40 or 60 on each row at your right / left on each row according to Attachment No. 1

All the 40´s and 60´s are on 6 inches height individual steel bases bolted side by side together in the front and in the back.

All the 30´s are on 8 inches height individual steel bases bolted side by side together in the front and in the back.

Then between the 8 inches for the 30´s steel bases and the 6 inches for the 40´s and 60´s bases are also bolted side by side together in the front and in the back.

All steel bases are mounted on a 20" thick inground / embedded pedestal into the existing floor hydraulic concrete 4,500 PSI with anchor bolts 1/2" by 8" grade 6 headed by 4" square fish plate protrude 1 7/8" above finished pedestal surface.

All the washers are aligned at the back to the trough. So in the front, you have as a misaligned system of washer different sizes.

I understand the steel beam at the rear for the full row of machines at the back of the trough. But how do you manage the beam or beams for the front of the machines? <Different washers cabinet depth size.>

First.- You must have more than one steel beam <in fact, four steel beams> for all the different washers cabinet depth size.

A.-   One for the rear where all the washer are aligned to the back of the trough.

B.-   One intermediate for the 27 3/8" cabinet depth;  

C.-   One intermediate for the 36" to 38 7/8" cabinet depth, and

D.-   Last one at the front for the 45 3/8" cabinet depth.

As the following Dexter cabinet depth chart.

Model

Dry weight

pounds capacity

Cabinet Depth

Dexter T 400

30#

27 3/8"

69.5 cm

Dexter T 600

40#

36"

91.4 cm

Dexter T 900

60#

38 7/8"

98.8 cm

Dexter T 1200

80#

45 3/8"

115.3 cm

 

Second.- How will you manage the difference between the 6" and the 8" steel base height or beam(s)  height for the current washers set-upThird.-   Based on your experience do you have a better way to set and secure the washers?

Third.-   Based on your experience do you have a better way to set and secure the washers?

Fourth .-   With your Steel Beams straight down the line idea I can imagine that you can save a ton of money. You do not need a blacksmith to fabricate the bases. You do not need individual steel bases for each washer, just a couple of beans. You do not need to excavate the ground ± 20 something inches to lay a hydraulic concrete pedestal where to mount the steel bases. You do not need the manual / labor job to bolt each base to the next one. You can be done in a much faster and secure way.Disclosure.-   The reason because I have set-up the washers different sizes in the same row is because my clientele, they bring large loads of color clothes and small to medium size loads of whites and if I have all the small washeres in one row and the medium or large washer size on the other row the customers need to jump from one row to the other either to see if the service is done of if there is already a washer available.

Having all the size washers in one row is easier / convenient / suitable for the customers to check the machines used without to worry about someone moving or stealing their clothes.

Question: What type of beam <I beam, wide flange beam, etc.>,  width and thikness 1/4" / caliber 12 / gage do you recomend, ?

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Miguel A Gonzalez
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35.  RE: Godfather stuck with new machines. Install issue

Posted 3 days ago
Larry
VERY nice install! I might add one thing. Those drains dump straight down and will splash up to rust your base and machines. Placing a street EL on the end not only minimizes this but allows you to direct the flow keeping the trough completely clean.

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Curt Harrington

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