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Topic: Concrete Flooring

1.  Concrete Flooring

Posted 04-08-2016 14:54
  I am opening up my first laundromat, am interested in hearing from all  of you very experienced owners regarding concrete flooring. I had the tile removed,sanded the concrete  and now I have to make the decision weather to dye the concrete and then put 2 coats of sealer down OR, NOT to dye and just put the sealer on it. Any suggestions for color if you recommend doing that.
Thank you,
Patricia



2.  RE: Concrete Flooring

Posted 04-09-2016 08:16

I would talk with a local supplier and make sure you get good advice and make the product as non-slip as possible.  Now for my carpet opinion.  We have carpet in our unattended store, and when we replace it again, it will be carpet squares so we can remove and replace and or clean tiles and re-set them.  IMO, carpet is the only way top go for an unattended store due to the obvious.

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Les Monthei
Potential Investor
Redding CA



3.  RE: Concrete Flooring

Posted 04-09-2016 09:20

Patricia, We just did the exact same thing in our newest store. We had them stain the concrete a beautiful Glacier Blue after polishing it and it looked beautiful. Then we reopened the store and let customers in. We also put down 2 coats of acrylic. Within days we had discolorationsome everywhere. Every time a customer spills any chemical on the floor it discolors the stain, and not just bleach. Any detergent, bleach, downy, pretty much anything discolors it. Of course the company that did this didn't tell us until after they were done. I imagine in most businesses this wouldn't be a  huge deal but in the laundry business it's a huge problem. If I had it to do over again I would still do polished Concrete but would leave it gray w no stain. Surprisingly it's rather slip resistant even when wet so that's not really a problem. Btw, polished Concrete was about 1/3 the cost of tiling. Best of luck!

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Dave Menz
Multi-Store Owner
Queen City Coin Laundry Chain
Cincinnati OH



4.  RE: Concrete Flooring

Posted 04-10-2016 11:56

I used a  acetone solvent dye made by Americolor that soaks into the concrete. After staining and polishing I used a sealer that needs to be polished into the concrete with a special buffing head and brought up to 90* temp to set. Bleach has no effect nor does softener. 

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HARRY PRUYN
Store Owner/ Employee
Solano Cleaning Center
Albany CA



5.  RE: Concrete Flooring

Posted 04-10-2016 12:27

Ours is just ground and polished concrete with a sealer put on by the contractor. When we mop the floor there is a product that we add to the mop water to bring the shine back up on the concrete. It's incredibly tough and shows no scratches from items being drug across it by the customers. I'm also surprised how slip resistant it is when wet. It's a great fit in our store and wouldn't trade it for anything. 

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Jeff Phinney
Potential Investor
Twining MI



6.  RE: Concrete Flooring

Posted 04-10-2016 17:20

You know I have learned a lot from the big box stores. They pay big $ to have things done right from A/C, lights, paints, Auto doors, bathrooms, etc. Yes they pay where we would not have to by just coping some of their ideas. Just like Wendy's would do with McDonald's.

Anyway, they do not paint nor stain their floors. They just seal them and clean them.

Not a bad idea

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Deward Stout
Store Owner/ Employee
Hurricane Laundromat & Storage
Hurricane UT



7.  RE: Concrete Flooring

Posted 04-19-2017 23:43
Les

vam you provide more info o. Maintenance for the carpet. I have old VCT and have been replacing bad spots. After a few days the VCT begins to yellow. I may go with porcelain tile so the floor looks cleaner than the VCT.

Van you send send pics of the carpet floors.

Thanks

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Sean Doran
Store Owner/ Employee
CA
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8.  RE: Concrete Flooring

Posted 04-20-2017 13:01
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We put Epoxy down with flakes for slipping and accent.  Very hard and chemical resistant. Would do it again in a heartbeat.  We purchased this through Armorpoxy--just google it.   See attached.


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Todd Whitehill
Store Owner/ Employee
McPherson KS
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9.  RE: Concrete Flooring

Posted 04-20-2017 13:15
Nice floor Todd.  How durable is it so far?  What was the cost per sq foot?  I'm scraping up my VCT now and plan to lay down something next month.

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Chris M
Norfolk VA
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10.  RE: Concrete Flooring

Posted 04-21-2017 09:13
Chris, how are you getting the adhesive off? I've replaced some VCT tile and even a small area would take hours to scrape down to bare, clean concrete. I've seen machines online that remove VCT tile and scrape the floor but it looks like a major project. I'm toying with the idea of laying ceramic tile over the existing VCT.

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SAM SLOANE
Store Owner/ Employee
Worcester MA
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11.  RE: Concrete Flooring

Posted 04-21-2017 11:31
We just put down epoxy also and are loving it! Slip resistant and very easy to clean. It was the most expensive option going in, but will make it up in a couple of years in reduced maintenance costs. The only negative was install time. It was a lot harder than anticipated removing the 2 layers on VCT, so we were closed for 2 more days than planned. I'd do it again even with that.

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Brad Seder
Store Owner/ Employee
Santa Rosa CA
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12.  RE: Concrete Flooring

Posted 04-21-2017 11:41
Chris&Sam,
the quickest way to remove vct is a vct scrapper and a roofing tourch with propane gas bottle its a two mans job ,one man heating the vct and the other one pushing the scrapper right after heating , it is a little smokey job so you have to chose a good time to do it or have to close a day . Two mans can remove ~1,600 pieces of vct in 10 hours.

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Linh Nguyen
Store Owner/ Employee
Mobile AL
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13.  RE: Concrete Flooring

Posted 04-21-2017 11:54
Linh and Brad, did you get the concrete down to bare, clean, smooth concrete using your removal methods. Did you ultimately have to sand or use a chemical stripper to get the last of the adhesive residue off?

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SAM SLOANE
Store Owner/ Employee
Worcester MA
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14.  RE: Concrete Flooring

Posted 04-21-2017 15:33
Sam ,
i did nothing else after removed by my method ,I didn't clean to concrete bare and a lot of adhesive still left on concrete and when we walk on it just like we walked  on magnet floor , we just go ahead and lay the  porcilen  tiles next day and of course nothing wrong with the whole floor, we did even drove a forklift to move equipment  on it too and only one tile was cracked . The first floor we done without a tourch to loosen the adhesive just scrapper only  and  it wears our shoulder plates out for days.
btw if you thinking about lay the tile I highly recommend go with 1'by 2'rectangle porcilen  tiles and lay them with stair pattern ( 1/3 or 8" of a tile ) don't lay with brick pattern (1/2 or 12" of a tile ).

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Linh Nguyen
Store Owner/ Employee
Mobile AL
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15.  RE: Concrete Flooring

Posted 04-22-2017 11:16
Most of it is coming off using a floor scraper from home depot as the tiles weren't laid down very well.  I plan to rent a floor tool and a diamabrush floor tool to prep the concrete.
Split between Everlast Epoxy and Armorpoxy.

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Chris M
Norfolk VA
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16.  RE: Concrete Flooring

Posted 04-23-2017 09:42
Thanks Linh, I'm going to start with the bathroom and see how it goes. The diambrush floor tool just mentioned seems like it might be worth using just to be on the safe side.

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SAM SLOANE
Store Owner/ Employee
Worcester MA
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17.  RE: Concrete Flooring

Posted 04-23-2017 10:04
I have laid tile on top of adhesives left on the concrete and had no problem. It is just important that you scrape up anything loose. I believe you can prep the floor with a product that will promote a better bond with the concrete and mortar.

As as for an epoxy finish you definitely need to get down to bare concrete. And the acid wash the floor.  My hesitation in epoxy is the cure time ant the fact I would need to close for a few days.
Im leaning towards VCT (which is currently on the floor), LVT (luxury venal tile) which is much better looking and easier to install, or porcelain.  What I like about LVT is that you can  glue down the perimeter and float the middle so it should be easy to replace or reconfigure. My concern with floating floor is water spills and water going under the tiles.  Could be good breeding ground for mold.

Any ny else have experience on LVT would like to hear.




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John
Store Owner/ Employee
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